Religious intolerance breeds hatred

Friday, June 22, 2007

Look....I'm not one to sit and preach about religion nor to protest religion. I'm not a holy roller or an uber devout anything. Being fanatical about anything scares me.

So then....imagine what happened when I watched Jesus Camp last night? For the first time in awhile, I was left with the sensation of wanting to puke violently. As I watched this movie, featuring three children, I began to increasingly feel bile crawl from my belly and into my mouth. I was flabbergasted, floored and just utterly stunned by the lack of intelligence as well as lack of respect for all things sacred! It was like.....waiting for something WACO (TX) to happen.

And these poor kids......their eyes were cold, their demeanor was jumpy and mechanical......I have never seen anything like it.

Anyway.....For those who have not seen the movie, let me break it down for you....via Wiki.

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Jesus Camp is a documentary about the "Kids On Fire School of Ministry," a charismatic Christian summer camp located just outside Devils Lake, North Dakota and run by Becky Fischer and her ministry, Kids in Ministry International. The film focuses on three children who attended the camp in the summer of 2005--Levi, Rachael, and Tory (Victoria). The film cuts between footage of the camp and a children's prayer conference held just prior to the camp at Christ Triumphant Church, a large charismatic church in Lee's Summit, Missouri; a suburb of Kansas City.

All three children, despite their youth, are very devout charismatic Christians. Levi, who has ambitions of being a pastor, has already preached several sermons at his father's church, Rock of Ages Church in St. Robert, Missouri. He is homeschooled (as are many of the campers), and learns physical science from a book that attempts to reconcile the creationist account with scientific principles. He is also taught that global warming is a non-issue and that it is political propaganda. At the camp, he preaches a sermon in which he declares that his generation is key to Jesus's coming back. Rachael, who also attends Levi's church (her father is assistant pastor), is seen praying over a bowling ball early in the film, and frequently passes Christian tracts (including some by Jack Chick) to people she meets. She doesn't think very highly of non-charismatic churches (or "dead churches," as she calls them), feeling they aren't "churches that God likes to go to." Tory is a member of the children's praise dance team at Christ Triumphant Church. She frequently dances to Christian heavy metal music, and feels uncomfortable about "dancing for the flesh." She also doesn't think very highly of Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan.

At the camp, Fischer stresses the need for children to purify themselves in order to be part of the "army of God." She strongly believes that children need to be in the forefront of turning America toward conservative Christian values. She also feels that Christians need to focus on training kids since "the enemy" are focused on training theirs.

Becky Fischer, directer of the Kids On Fire School of Ministry
In one scene shot at Christ Triumphant Church, Lou Engle, the chief "
prophet" (a term not used in the film) for Harvest International Ministries (the "apostolic network" with which both the church and Fischer's ministry are affiliated--an affiliation not advertised in the film) and founder of the Justice House of Prayer, preaches a message urging children to join the fight to end abortion in America. He prays for George W. Bush to have the strength to appoint "righteous judges" who will overturn Roe v. Wade. By the end of the sermon, the children are chanting, "Righteous judges! Righteous judges!" In another, a woman brings a life-sized cutout of Bush to the front of the church, and has the children stretch their hands toward him. Some media reports misinterpreted this as "worshipping" the president, but the children were actually "praying over him." Indeed, the woman clearly says to "pray for" and "speak a blessing to" Bush. Stretching hands toward someone is a derivative of laying hands on someone, which is a very common practice in Pentecostal and charismatic churches.

There is also a scene at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado, where Levi and his family go on vacation to hear its renowned pastor, Ted Haggard (who has a Monday morning call with President Bush every week). Less than two months after the release of the film, Haggard became embroiled in a high-profile scandal involving, among other things, homosexual prostitution. Afterward, Levi, Rachael and their families take part in a Justice House of Prayer rally held by Engle in front of the U.S. Supreme Court.

Additionally, there is a debate between Fischer and Mike Papantonio (an attorney and a radio talk-show host for Air America Radio's Ring of Fire).

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First off, these kids are being severly brainwashed. I am TOTALLY apposed to anyone who brainwashes children. It's one thing to lead a child to Jesus (or any religion/faith) but they aren't leading the lamb into the field of the shepherd here. They're using Jesus' name to create a sadistic world with their political and religious motives fully vested into the minds of children.....little children.

Can you imagine training (militantly) children to go up to strangers and ask them if they know where they are going when they die? Yes...a little girl did this and then accused the folks of being Muslim......without even asking them what they were or what their beliefs were. She just assumed. WTF?!?!?!

Folks, you need to be aware that there are some severe fundamentalists out there who want to remove your right to the freedom of religion as well as your freedom of choice. Be very cautious of this and DO NOT LET IT IN TO OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM! Separation of church and state must remain. Morals are important but thrusting religious motivations is not. Just ask Jesus.

18 comments:

YPG said...

Those poor children have been robbed of their childhood because of religious fanatics.

Hearing this kind of stuff makes me physically ill.

Tainted~Love said...

I am afraid to watch ...afraid my heart will turn black with sickness.

This is the same things extreme Islam does, Hitler did, Communism did, and so and so on.

What is Church?
What is State?

Too many loose terms.

No religion in politics or no religion in legislation?

But laws must be ethical and moral.

That leaves us with philosophers making up the ethical and moral code of our societies. Or worse, misguided, self centered politicians deciding what's moral and ethical.

OR popular vote deciding what's moral and ethical... MTV Law.

No, the 'State' should not adopt a single 'Church' or religion as its sole basis for government, but the best source for moral and ethical guidance are the mainstream religions of the world.

Nothing is seperate. It's all mixed. You cannot seperate Church and State. They are the same thing, except one uses God or Gods to punish, the other uses courts and prisons to punish.

Hell, most American laws are based on the last 6 commandments of the Bible:

Thou shalt not murder

Thou shalt not commit adultery

Thou shalt not steal

Thou shalt not bear false witness

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house.

And NO, there was not a legal system in place in any nation or society that strictly forbade ANY of these actions. Most were allowed pretty regularly.

Hebrew Law is the foundation of modern law. Modern law just threw out all the weird stuff and kept the big six.

Christopher said...

I think she was talking about state sponsored religions teaching intolerance, not the interaction of religion and state.

They both are intertwined, I'll give you that. But there is a certain point where COMBINING the two will most times bring poison to the world.

Look at the Crusades and the Inquisition. Care to relive those times?

Eve said...

Living in TX, an hour from Waco, this is something I see every day. Religion is intermingled in every aspect of life. At my daughter's public school football game, a prayer is said at the start of the game. I recently attended a school board meeting and before the meeting took place everyone rose in prayer. These are not just; bow your heads in silence, moments. These are full, all mighty god, prayers. I am not saying there is anything wrong with prayer. I just feel that with our nation being so diverse, public schools and public events should not pick one religion to be honored or mentioned. Teaching supremacy in religion, race or heritage only leads to intolerance of others not like you.

The prayers before football games makes me laugh. Everybody prays and every time half the people who pray, lose.

Even if there was a God, do you think praying to him to win a game is approporiate?

Well...football does have the "hail mary". *snicker*

I wouldn't mind if someone said, "let's pray for the health of our team" and then quietly sat in silence for a few minutes. But....I dunno. Anything forced is no good in my opinion.

And yes, ypg. They have no childhood. Their innocents has been robbed. It disguted me beyond words.

Hey Murk....rant much? Chris was right on track with my thinking. Keep up, Doc. I don't agree with churches trying to enforce their religious beliefs into the political system. The political system is there for ALL citizens....not just the one religious group's idea of life.

YPG said...

After getting children involved into this kind of thing, Chistianity just lost every single Holier-than-thou argument against extrame Islam.
Now when you point, they can point back.

YPG said...

Oh the camp has been closed. ^__^

Toyi said...

never heard of it, I will try to read this article later when I get home to dig a bit into it... cool

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Toyi said...

wow that is nuts, well let me point at something that is very normal... and this happens in every single family, Mom and Dad tend to transmit their ideologies in their children, why? because THEY think is the best thing that can ever happen to their kids... now this not only happenes with religions, happens with gays, happens with hippies, with criminals, now I am not saying is good, but I am saying is normal that this happens and most of the times is incouncisously.

Now, coming back to subject, I am not a personal fan of imposition, is normal to teach your kids what you believe is right and you will do it anyways.... now, one thing was given to us and that is something called "WILL" and the "personal WILL is the one who will really determine what the kids will do with their life when they grew up. One bit of a problem why baptism CANNOT be done when you are a baby is because YOU_HAVE_NO WILL and that voids it, you are not chosing to follow a religion you are borned into it... which is something that Chatolic church is far from understand, I don't agree with protestant camps that are getting kids into this religios non sense... . But well this is what I think.
I don't agree in churches talking about politics, complitely mixing God and State.

Christopher said...

Toyi,

I think that comment is a bit overstated. Not that it's not true, I just don't believe you.

JM,

Yup. I completely misread that. Point taken.

Toyi said...

You don't have to sweety...is your will lol

Christopher said...

You people make me laugh (in a good way).

We need faith based organizations now more than ever. But the only faith based thing I want to see in my government is representatives I can have faith in to keep us safe, fed and cared for.

You know, I could care less what they drive as long as they help us get our part of the pie.

I breed hatred. Where's the article on ME? HUH????

 
 
 
 
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